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looks to me like you got it about as close as one can without having the original form to sculpt it on.

when your all done I think I want one! I could have a ton of fun painting one of these up properly in the original colors


before you go at it again, now would be a great time to

1. put the pass thru notch in the head wings so the goggle straps can be run

2. if your not planing to mold, resin, bodyshop and remold.... then I suggest sharpening the top point on the chin gaurd

3. and it looks like your mold is way to thick and by god man switch to fiberglass jacketing quick!! your killing yourself doing it with plaster.

infact, explain why the silicone is so bumpy on the sides, because if your doing silicone well were its less likely to give you any troubles, it should be very very smooth for the most part, this looks like the silicone was moved after it had already set



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that looks cool bro if it fits a 25 head i need one

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Yeah looks real good. Cant wait to see it painted what are you going to use for color?

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Thanks everyone. im glad you like it. i will def finish it up and remold. by the way this is a resin copy of my original sculpt. this has been bodyshopped.


Resinsamurai, don't mean to be a douche but you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

The support jacket is plasti paste, and it worked out just fine, altough i agree for quickness sake, my next one will be a combo of shell shock with fiberglass backing. the silicone is mold max 30 and it was NOT applyed too thick, pretty much right on the money, about 1/4". it actually tore in areas it was thinner. you think i like brushing on 4-5 layers as it is? i don't know what you mean by lumpy, but it stayed exactly where i brushed it, only smoother because it self levels a bit, and i used silicone thinner on some coats. there are no drips or droops anywhere. and in anycase, these small irregularities help keep the silicone in its proper place. there are infact keys that i incorporate which are the lumps you might see. they worked also great. because the mold seats fine and there is no problems in that regard. the reason this mold failed was because the silicone did not release properly in places and tore over the ear twice. please don't act like you know everything. it would be wiser to ask questions first then to make me write this long reply with a bad attitude.

I don't mean to be an asshole. its just you don't understand the work ive put into this, (sculpted, molded, resin copy, bodyshop, paint, bodyshop, repeat 20 times, then mold, then fail) and then come along like make it seem like i didn't think about what i was doing or something. also, i just checked the pics, and i think the reason you thought it was so thick is because you looked at the cut seam area, which yes, is much thicker to allow the seam to basically disappear when reseated. you should know this though already right?

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Sorry again, i really am going to make it bad-a when all is said and done. and Mexicanbat, thanks! im pretty sure i got you cover depending on how thick i cast the urethane.

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Bad-a when it's all said and done??
That's ALREADY Bad - AZZ!

You've come a long way in a short time...very inspiring to the newer members looking to try their hand at this sort of thing I'm sure.

Can I offer a tip regarding MM30?
Go easy on the silicone thinner and/or thickener that you add. They can really compromise the cured silicone tear strength. As does the cure accelerator.

Freshly mixed MM30 shouldnt need any thinner for it's beauty coat...just rub it on lightly with a gloved hand and it'll even itself out in a thin coating for the first coat.

I usually do the same for 3 coats...then add a few drops of thickener to the mixed silicone to start getting the thicker coats on...again, always with a gloved hand.

If you have areas that are difficult to build up thickness, you can always dip gauze in your silicone and apply that within your silicone layer build up...as long as it's not an area that needs to stretch.emoticon

After you've applied your last thickened coat...dip your fingers in the silicone thinner and rub your silicone smooth...unless you want to keep the lumps which as you stated WILL help line up your mother mold.

I hope some of this helps....emoticon That's a great sculpt and I cant wait to see it all cast up!

Loving your work buddy... :goodjob:

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Forrest,

you are one hell of a sculptor..


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David. once again your words almost bring me to tears (almost). thank you so much for your words. Coming from you, they mean so much to me. for those who didn't know, it was seeing your work that made me realized i want to try this, i can do this. Im glad you realize where im coming from. and thanks so much for the tips on applying mm30. i think the part i hate most of any of this is applying the silicone, because for me it just takes so long. ive never used my gloved hand before to put it on but that totally would help. is there any other tips you might be able to add, as the time applying the silicone is something i wish to expediate, such as , how many layers, or do you prefer an entirley different silicone, if so which one. I know what you mean about the thinner, i just added a little to the capture coat and dabbles a very thin layer to make sure no bubbles are present. next time, i will def do as you suggest.

Keith, thank you very much, this niteowl sculpt has been through alot with me, he is def a labor of love and dedication. Here are some pics of what my sculpt loooked like prior to stage 1 molding, as i only have shown pictures of the master as of yet:

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That sculpt looks fantastic! That silicone reminds me of the MoldMax Stroke I've been having trouble with lately. Is that what that is? Whenever I've used MoldMax 30 it's been pink. Not to mention I had better luck with that.

Can't wait to see someone wearing a copy of it. emoticon

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Well I don't take your response as being from an asshole. Your stating what you wanted to say and that's fine. No offense was meant or taken by them.

For the record so were mine. I never claimed to know it all. I let my work speak for itself. Just like you do.

My comments were based on what "I" see in the photos. I see edges that look like they could be sharpened, details that look different then the hero and that's why I suggested the body shop, etc. I think its an amazing sculpt and the best one out there of it so far. But I think with a little bit more work it could be as good as the hero, maybe even better than.

Silicone right where your thumb is, looks to be 1/2 thick~ maybe you have smaller thumbs then I do~
Also, because of the number of undercuts on this piece, there should be no need for keys. If you wanted to place keys in it for helping the silicone lock into the jacket then I would only suggest having them along the wall so that you would not need to clamp the silicone to keep it in the mold as you rolled the piece around to lay in urethane or foam. If you really wanted to lock it into the mold, then a key about an inch back from each of the chest and back points of the cowl would do it. A key in the cheek area is pointless because the geometry of the cheeks and the nose are natural keys already. So is the brow~

The way the jacket is done with support bracing is usually a tell tale sign of plaster. If your using plasti-paste you should be using glass matte as a strengthener and not stick bracing. Jackets should be thin, lite, and still fully supporting so you can hold and control this mold.

If you like doing it your way, then just keep on doing it that way. I would do it the way I suggested. But your not me~

I'm not a believer in mold max as I think its a crappy silicone. The nightwing molds are MM30 and it turned me off to their silicone's for good. I only use V1068 and V1065 because that's where I have found the best success. Its more expensive but it has a higher tensile strength, tear ration, and it is self degassing. Not to mention because of all the undercuts this is a headache pull. So a silicone that can tolerate that need is best. In my experience MOLD MAX is not it.

If you had great result from it, awesome!

Regardless of what I or anyone else say or think its all about you. Its a great piece and that's all that matters.

I've spent time with the hero suits and I think they are the greatest pieces of hero work ever (Owl, Oz, and Silk only as there was nothing special about Comedian or Rarshack) Jose and the boys he worked with on this did far and above anything ever done by himself in the past and now set a new standard for how hero should and can be done.

If you can use the right materials and make your cowl able to be worn behind the neck, then you'll have ever bat cowl enthusiast wanting one. Its sad that we all had to what for an owl to do what the bat should have been doing all along.


Anyways, keep going, can't wait to see your paint up.


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quote:

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David. once again your words almost bring me to tears (almost). thank you so much for your words. Coming from you, they mean so much to me. for those who didn't know, it was seeing your work that made me realized i want to try this, i can do this. Im glad you realize where im coming from. and thanks so much for the tips on applying mm30. i think the part i hate most of any of this is applying the silicone, because for me it just takes so long. ive never used my gloved hand before to put it on but that totally would help. is there any other tips you might be able to add, as the time applying the silicone is something i wish to expediate, such as , how many layers, or do you prefer an entirley different silicone, if so which one. I know what you mean about the thinner, i just added a little to the capture coat and dabbles a very thin layer to make sure no bubbles are present. next time, i will def do as you suggest.

Keith, thank you very much, this niteowl sculpt has been through alot with me, he is def a labor of love and dedication. Here are some pics of what my sculpt loooked like prior to stage 1 molding, as i only have shown pictures of the master as of yet:

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F'n awesome sculpt, I love seeing guys come out with stuff of this calibre, well done.


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