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hi all this is my first post. first i wanted to say all the work and topics are so amazing. that being said i will get into my topic. this is a 1992 batman returns costume build i have been working on since september. this is the 3rd time i have attempted this costume sculpt and i have to say i am happy with how this suit is looking. some of you may have been following this on our company facebook but for the ones who have not been i wnated to shair it with you.

like i said i have done this costume 2 times before and i have not really photographed them and did not mold them as i was not happy with how they were looking as it was sculped on a mannaquin. so even though it looked good and was mold worthy i just was not happy with certan parts that would have been better had it been sculpted on a proper body form.

this sculpt was done by doing a clay copy of my master mold of my 89 torso. i know some may say it is cheeting but i know for a fact that my 89 torso is of proper size and shape so it was a perfect starting point and allowed me to save lots of time and guess work. once the clay copy was made i remved every bit of detail from the original 89 sculpt and left only the shape .

like i siad i have been working on this since september and am now only having time to show the progress so their will be lots of photos right off the bat and than will add more as i have them.

if you would like to follow more of our costume builds here is our company face book that is updated sooner as we progress in projects

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Looks like you have a long way to go if your after any kind of accuracy, given that you did not start with the correct form, you will have to overwork to get the forms and details corrected in order to fit a wearer correctly which is pretty much the number one flaw in 99% of people who try to sculpt, so you being on your 3rd attempt at this is not a shock, maybe number 7 will be your lucky break

your 89 pieces came thru the great liar and thief Janty and those came thru Bob Dullam, so you might want to mention that since you make it out like you sculpted the 89 masters your sculpting over now.....

based on your other works I'm betting you will fall short of anything accurate being in a rush to get it to market

you still have the Savini mindset, which may be all fine and dandy for fangoria, but that's not ever going to for non organic pieces, so you have a loooooooooooong way to go if you expect to create anything better than a halloween costume



this isn't your first post here, your first post showed your only in this hobby for the ability to sell sell sell

seems you still have a lot to learn

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wow your really know how to make peopel feel welcome. i find every bit of what you said nasty and rude. but despite what you said i know what i am doing and what i am capiable of doing and your attempt to shoot me down will in no way shape or form sway me form posting more of my work on here or making a costume that will look amazing and fit peopel.

if your only reason is to pop on here and try and make me feel like crap than just keep what you feel and have to say to your self as posts like that is whay i have proplems with message boards. i am posting to show a suit i am doing not to hear you or anyone put me down

 as for my 89 master sorry other people may have been burned by janty but i was not and that is not my problem and since 99.9% of people know where my 89 torso and cowl came from as i have state wher i got it on other message boards and my facebook i had no desire to repeat my self.

 if you wnat to attack people for owning and selling copies of bob dullams 89 costume i recomend you attack the peopel who sell them and do not give him credit or recast his suit befor janty started selling master copies

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Jay wasn't being nasty or rude at all. Simply straight forward and honest. I have to say that I agree with what he said.

You rush stuff. You are stuck in the Savini mindset but that's neither here nor there. I have yet to see anything that really looks finished before you jump into molding it...

A COUPLE of your pieces really showed some promise but you fell short on the finishing end.

I hear a lot of talk and don't see any follow through... Where's all the film and TV projects you claim to have worked on? Who are all these contacts you have? When will they pay off?

This suit shows promise but it's no where near done and will need a LOT of work. Jay never said it was a bad piece, he simply said you have a lot to do. Not a rude or hurtful comment.

The fact that it came from Bob through Janty, regardless of either's history around here, should have been mentioned. Your made up statistic of the number of people who should know something means nothing. You didn't give credit where credit is due.

That being said I'm glad to see you sculpting again. For awhile you "company" was selling popped copies of other peoples work and printed suits that you had someone else sew for you so I'd very much like to see this finished.

Keep going and don't just rush to get stuff out for the money... In the long run you'll make more with a better quality product. It's simple business...

That being said, I never got a response from you about your '89 emblem and it's origins. It's got a key flaw that was present in mine which was let go to a close friend, not to have someone make a quick mold and pop shoddy copies... Not very professional to just ignore an email like that... Other people who contact your company get the same treatment?

Just slow it down and take your time. It's an art. Have fun with it. It's not all about the money... Make a better name for yourself.
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ok so i will start off by saying that if i took his post the wrong way than i am sorry but i did feel a little attacked and i have no desire to start any sort of problems on here i hate drama and dont want it in my life

 with that being said i do not ruch items. i am not going to lie and say i do not have intentions to sell what i make because this is my job not just a hobybut i dont ruch items just to make a quick buck. i also do aggree that a perfect sculpt will make more moeny in the log run than a rushed one.

as far as this suit goes i have more photos and i did not want to post them asap but i will psot them now of my more final sculpt that i am looking over for possible revisions.

i have no problem with people pointing out flaws and saying changes need to be made as i will listen and make teh changes but i did not feel that the way his post came off was trying to help. i have not held the returns torso in my hands nor have i even held a recast copy of 1 so all i have is photos to work off of.

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sorry for some reason that post added b4 i got to finish and add photos. but again i am no trying to make peopel mad just show off a suit i am doing on a page i was told was a big batman sight. and i was expecting some sort of review of the sculpt but not like that. possibly it was the crack about the tom savini school because that gets to me if i would have know how bad of a rep that school had in the inductry i would have not gone lol

and if any of you have better photos of the suit that will help by al means please send them to me

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you need to study forms, symmetry and when your trying to replicate an original piece know that the scrutiny is 1000 times stronger

your already into finishing and all your forms are different from left to right and front to back, all because of an improper core and you rushed to go from block out to finish without any forms to speak of and you have nearly zero symmetry

its great that you got to this point so quickly (third times the charm so they say), now spend 10 times longer on refining things so they stand a chance against matching the original, otherwise whats the point, X already sells a replica that completely inaccurate and sized all wrong even though a stunt bib was its base and Inferno has one that is much closer but is still inaccurate, so that would leave yours in line behind them both currently

the savini school churns out monster makers, that should have been obvious to anyone looking at his portfolio and whats taught there, for most monster projects there is little symmetry because everything is 100 percent organics and you need difference to keep a piece looking real, but all the same rules apply when it comes to forms, function, muscle and finish detail



there aren't a lot of schools for this work, most is trial and error and praying to the gods that you luck into working with one of the greats, or at least get to talk to a few of them gleaming whatever wisdom they will impart to you

as for providing you references, well that's not going to happen until you prove your worth to this crowd, then and only then do the vaults open and the helping hands bring you goodies

nothing we do here is for the money, everything is for the craft and the soul purpose is excellence with no excuses given or taken for less than that

the gods demand nothing less of course~


especially on replica's


so first suggestion

take a photo of your sculpt and 50/50 it right down the center with the left half being your sculpt and the right half being the original your trying to replicate and see how close yours is

then you start to see the inaccuracies

when you stop seeing them, they are to minor to worry about and then your done

oooooooooooooooooooooooor your blind and you shouldn't be trying to sculpt anything thats been sculpted before because you'll stand a smaller chance than the lotto odds of getting anywhere close to greatness


second suggestion,

this is a very very small world, everything you do is pretty much known because if your dealing with anyone of measure on any of the boards the word gets around quickly what you are, what you do and who your doing it with

remember that!!!!

and realize your work will always say more about you that anything you could say about yourself



those two suggestions alone ought to keep you busy for the next year~

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Well said Jay!

One other thing I'd like to add is about schooling in this craft. There really aren't any "good" ones. It's a trade and can ONLY be learned from experience. I can't tell you how many people I've seen "pumped" (and I agree with that term Jay) out of these schools and the one thing they don't teach is also the BIGGEST and that's mindset.

SO many kids pop out of this school thinking they're some how automatically qualified and "trained"... Not the case. The way I see it a true ARTIST is never done learning.

You go to these schools you can make a mold, you can run rubber, you can (kind of) sculpt... You know the MECHANICS and not necessarily the art.

Case in point, (I've been "working" in the business for about 6 years on and off) we pulled in an intern from the Savini school. He's now a good friend of mine and he's VERY talented. He NEVER acts that way and NEVER makes it sound like he's amazing at anything. Modesty and humbleness go a long way (so does spell check but that's another story). He is now one of our best model builders AND even had supervisor status on a few projects.

He's one of the only people to be pumped out of these schools that I've seen really do something.

Ran into another girl that went through the system. I was mixing some 50/50 two part SmoothOn resin and she was flabbergasted that I was doing it without some sort of measuring pumps that the school trained her to use. Again, they teach mechanics and if you don't come out of there with the right thought process it won't have done you any good.
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Also... I STILL have not gotten an answer in regards to the '89 emblem...
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The way I see it a true ARTIST is never done learning.






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