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Here are some of the pics I took of the original glove that David was sent from Elstree a few years back.

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And here is the glove he produced from it.

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Seriously.

What did you guys expect in a pair of gloves that need to fit around a leather jacket sleeve?

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Very cool thanks.
It sucks there's no source to obtain at least 99% screen accurate gloves.
I recently bought a pair on ebay that looked pretty accurate but many small details were very much off course.
They spend all this time and money trying to create a movie replica but not enough time researching the living hell out of it to get it right, detail for detail. Why?!? lol... Well I guess for some makers, its a work in progress but I must say I am very surprised to hear that the UD gloves aren't the same as Dave's original 89 gloves he made a while back. Those looked very accurate. Too expensive perhaps?

I'm in the middle of modding my JV gloves too. Adding the suede fingers, painted the studs black and will be making the sleeves shorter and slimmer according to actual dimensions from the real gloves.
Its a lot of tedious work having to un-stitch and restitch leather...but the whole screen accurate thing keeps biting and biting.




When/where did you get my gloves? They've had suede forefingers now for the past 3 years since my last revisions.

Everyone wants cheap gloves but they don't understand the rules of wholesale, I can only sell them cheap if I have them made in quantities of 100 or more for price breaks, until then they can't be done cheap with any degree of quality even if I get my glovemaker to continue making revisions. He charges me for a new prototype to approve any new changes and then I have to source someone for the fins and gauntlet attachments to make to have added during production that would further up the cost of manufacturing because I can't sell them 100 at a time.

My most recent designs have the suede forefinger as well as the patch between the thumb and forefinger. If I were to make more changes to meet everyone's standards and attempt to lower the price it would required a minimum of 75 pieces to negotiate a lower price break with my glovemaker.



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Jerry I'd be inclined at the very least to sell them without fins and pads and let the customer source those themselves since there are quite a few options out there for those. Perhaps that could reduce the price a little.

Other than that, I think it's a pretty fair price you currently have. If people want the best then they will pay for it, I did an was thoroughly happy witht the result. With revisions to what you currently have, I'm betting lots of other will too.

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Jerry I'd be inclined at the very least to sell them without fins and pads and let the customer source those themselves since there are quite a few options out there for those. Perhaps that could reduce the price a little.

Other than that, I think it's a pretty fair price you currently have. If people want the best then they will pay for it, I did an was thoroughly happy witht the result. With revisions to what you currently have, I'm betting lots of other will too.



I couldn't do that because then people would complain that they can't find fin strips to fit the lengths of the fin vents sewn into my gloves, if they're off even by 1/4 inch, they won't slide in properly. I don't know how many people make fin strips but there would have to be a universal "standard" whereby people who buy my gloves could be confident that they would be able to find compatible fin strips.

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I can send you a pair of RD Fins and plates (based on RD sizes) for standardisation.

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I love that we can express this disappointment here. No one will dare say anything in his thread on Botb
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The measurements from the pics here show 15.50 (I'm going to assume they are medium to large sized).

My medium and large sizes are 16 inches from forefinger to gauntlet edge. My extra large measures 16.50 inches.

So the revision would involve shaving off 1/2 an inch to an inch from the ends of the gauntlet, adjsuting back and forth between the medium to large sizes.

My gauntlet plate measures 7.25 inches long to 5 inches wide at the top. The gauntlet plate can be adjusted down within whatever quarters of an inch they need to be to fit the gauntlets, I never thought people would be using calipers so long as they fit and looked right as they do with this picture comparison between mine and the real ones:

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There's been some discussion on the studs being black and looking silver in the reflected light during the alley scenes in the '89 movie. There have been many photos bandied back and forth about this, my read is they are silver. If people don't agree, they can add shoe polish to the studs or paint them, getting black studs adds cost. The Fieldsheer studs were silver.

As for the fins, as stated earlier my vents need to be patterned to fit them. I will be getting a pair of fins patterned off real deal soon myself and can source the measurements and then offer them with or without the fins.

There's also been numerous requests over at BOTB to do small sizing. Perhaps with enough interest I can do a large quantity order including these revisions along with removing the topmost stud on the suede palm pad so they top out at 2, add the elastic at the wrist (although notice in that above photo of the real one... unless it's hidden in the wrist crease, I don't see an elastic wrist tightener there) and adjust the top of the hand to be more narrowed top to bottom than rectangular as it is now. But I need to make sure there is a real demand to justify the cost of another prototype with revisions to approve.

When I first took on supplying bat gloves 10 years ago, it was with limited photographic resources and video screen grabs of all movie styles but I've always upgraded as more photo reference became available. It's a shame with all the work I had done then I wasn't approached by anyone who had access to an Elstree glove to continue evolving my patterns instead of them ending up at UD for the limited run (done through my glovemaker, I'm not going to go any further about those details) and these newer ones everyone jumped on buying that are meant to fit the thick sleeve of a Begins leather motorcycle suit (which competed with and reduced demand for mine). I've always sensed some disparagement from some about mine not being perfect while others recognize I've done the best I can with all resources I can find since not everyone is so forthcoming with sharing details despite the fact I believe I was the first to take on being the best resource for everyone's costuming needs having found a competent manufacturer to create these reproductions to begin with.

There's a market for Dave's stuff as not all of us are the right size to fit the dimensions of costumes made to match the real deal suits which were done to specifically fit Christian Bale's measurements (I myself have his TDK motorcycle suit and am grateful he made them because it's comfortable for my purposes wearing once a year at Halloween), and there is a novelty in being able to wear the leather outfit since it is easier to move around in since most people at masquerades accept it as being authentic enough you can be relieved you're not wearing some shi++y Rubie's latex crap.

All that said however, as much as I was originally alarmed these gloves would compete with what I attempted I did realize that the width issues in the gauntlet were going to be a big problem for those who were working on more screen accurate suits so if there's a demand for a new run with further revisions based on all this new information, I will explore doing it.

JV




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I'm going to step out of this I think, I feel like I've offended you in some way Jerry, which I can assure you has never been intended.

Apologies if I have, like I've said before I hope you do pursue it, if you do I'll be lining up, especially for a pair of Returns.

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Jerry, it's just the nature of the beast. It's nothing personal. Simply put, I as a user, am just in search for the most screen accurate gloves out there and willing to pay for it. I want extremely accurate gloves. Not just 85% accurate. And that's just me speaking as a paying customer who avidly yearns to put together and extremely accurate 89 suit possible.

Again, it's nothing personal.
Like I said, I'm more than willing to dish out the scratch if I knew "these gloves are extremely accurate". And yes, I will pull out the calipers. lol.
And I totally agree with PJ. Just leave out the armor and fins as it's now fairly easy to obtain screen accurate fins and armor through other sources. Let the buyer figure that out.
Focus just on the gloves. As I said in my previous post, I understand it's probably very expensive to make gloves. And I understand that it's all part of a work in progress. Sometimes I speak with high expectations purely because I've been digging deep in my wallet for for the best parts money can buy.



I recently bought a pair of Fred B.s gloves. About 100.00 dollars for the pair. When I opened the package, I felt they were really nice and looked fairly accurate except for some details. But for 100.00 ... I didn't expect too much out of them TBH, considering what I paid for yours..
I'm not sore for putting it down since they fit me better than the ones you made in medium which fit me like boxing gloves lol *wink*.

BTW, the JV gloves I have here , were purchased used and were probably your first production as they don't have the suede finger or the patch of leather around the thumb and index area.
Not long ago someone had actually purchased a pair of gloves from your site and maybe that was just before you made the changes because he said it didn't have the suede finger. So I assumed this is just how you made them.

It's good to see you are open to updating your patterns and running small size runs of the glove though. I'd be in for this, totally.

Again, don't feel offended. Part of being a producer is to hear out the positive and the negative and just work with the information to stay ahead of the game if it's within your interest.
You're gloves, in general, are very nice and high quality. We thank you for attempting this many years ago and acknowledge it.
But without updates, people aren't going to hang around for long based on those aspects alone, regardless of reason. Especially when others are coming out of the woodwork claiming better gloves. (IMHO, no one should be bragging yet) Yes, we understand the gloves aren't cheap to make but it also isn't cheap to buy. Get what I'm saying? It goes both ways. Deep in your pockets. Deep in ours.
And again, that's just the nature of the beast. There will always be competition. So please don't feel offended if you have. I get the same vibe as PJ here so I'll just leave it at that.

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