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Re: What happened with my trade with Infrno and Mr X


agree with jay on this one...


 I have not traded anything in a few months as at present am being ignored thru emails and pm's by someone at the RPF he frequents the BOTB too..

Be careful with your cash lots of people will happily take it from you





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quote:

BATIMAN wrote:

agree with jay on this one...


 I have not traded anything in a few months as at present am being ignored thru emails and pm's by someone at the RPF he frequents the BOTB too..

Be careful with your cash lots of people will happily take it from


Alex




Do you mind if I pm you real quick.I have a question for you?

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Sure bro emoticon
Or email me

Alex

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Sure bro emoticon
Or email me

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E-mail sent. Thanks

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I'm calm. I'm always calm actually. So No worries.

Just trying to make the font large enough for even the most blind to be able to read.

LOL



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haha.

I'm just saying== even the best piece can be scrutinized to the point of negativity over something.. In the end, these are home made costumes. There are compromises that have to be made. I am working on something for someone right now that is far from perfect, but still really nice. It is what it is.

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Yes, even my best work still has flaws of some type in it, there's no suck thing as perfect, because no matter how hard you try and no matter how good you are, there's always always always some sorta flaw

but that doesn't mean you shouldn't strive for perfection

and as a buyer you should never accept less just because that's all that's out there or because a maker cut every corner possible, your better off not buying and not giving them your money until they can take this seriously

this is true of every freakin industry out there
whether it be here on the boards or at your local wallmart

most problems in this hobby come from sellers losing their perspective, they think that because they have something that you want they can just treat you how ever they want and you should just take it

but thanks to recasting, 3D modeling/printing there are more makers than ever, so its never been more important than it is right now to make the best products possible and giving the best customer services ever seen so that your customers stay happy and tell others about how great you were and how awesome your work is.

but crap is king and people will accept and praise even the most mediocre work right next to the mona lisa saying how both are worthy of the same praise.....


yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


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One of the largest differences that I see in comparing this hobby to a "normal" business, is that in a typical business, as you grow, you hire on more qualified folks to take on the growing demand and the business thrives and grows...

With this hobby, if you have or are becoming a skilled craftsman at this costuming biz and you're building a reputation and now you're getting more and more orders, you typically don't have that luxury of hiring additional 'qualified' folks to help you with the increased supply and demand...

Therefore, as we see over and over here in costuming land, the wait times get longer and longer, and people get frustrated... Then, to try and get stuff out more promptly, corners start getting cut and the quality goes down... Then the unhappy customers start creating negative posts about you and it just spirals downward...

Don't really know what the answer is here... Jay, you've been doing this a long time. What are the options here? I'm supposing that you just have to get to the point that you only accept so many orders at a time. I think that guys don't want to do that, because they want that business (That will end up going elswhere), and then as we see, it just gets U...G...L...Y!!

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The issue is there is rarely ever enough money in this hobby to support the hiring of others.... sales even when steady are never steadily that high...even during the best times there were lulls and now that the economy is crappy sales are at an all time low.

The #1 point of failure in this hobby is spending money that doesn't yet belong to you.

Example.

Your selling panther cowls and emblems for 350.00 shipped.

Cowl rubber costs you 35.00
Emblem resin costs you 25.00
Labor costs you an hour to make it and an hour
to trim and finish it, so lets pay you 35.00 for that.
Shipping is 35.00 more.

Sooooooooooo that's 60.00 in materials and 95.00 with shipping.

So if you take the 95.00 that you absolutely need to cover your costs that still leaves 255.00 that doesn't belong to you until the customer receives their product and they are satisfied.

If worst came to worst, ad you didn't insure the shipment (which you should!) and the post office destroyed it, or you made it and the materials went bad a few weeks after the buyer received it, you can still afford to remake the pieces at your cost and still make a profit.

But greed will always always keep you from doing that.


But in this hobby you don't do that, you sell 5 of those sets this month and use the money to pay your rent or mortgage or groceries..... with money that doesn't belong to you.

You didn't use it to pay for materials, so now you need to hurry and sell a sixth set to cover the costs of materials and in the time it takes you to get that next sale (or hit since your acting like a drug addict) your first 5 customers are starting to get antsy and ask where there stuff is and you start to tell lies about it already being shipped but you didn't use tracking or you'll have to check tracking, PO lost things, bad materials, etc.

For the record in the 10 years I have into this, I've had one bad gallon of silicone and one bad gallon kit of F32. That's it.

The post has never lost a single prop I've ever mailed, they did however loose one thing of mine in that same ten years but it was letter not a 40.00 box.

I have always charged for tracking and gotten tracking, to prove that you got your prop from me and to make sure the PO can't loose things. It's under 1.00 so there is never ever ever a reason not to use that, even if you have to do it out of pocket. Its smart! Its good business!

Never make the hobby your main job unless you can afford it, you have a day job to pay all your bills, this hobby is for making extra money in your free time. Loose site of that and your going to be on that list of bad sellers so damn fast its not funny.

I know of only a couple guys that make enough off their FX work that they don't have a day job.

Me personally, I make a fine living being the super scientist that I am so only Sundays are studio days, I don't sell openly anymore but if I did the 12 hours we spend in the studio would be more than enough to cover at least 20 props a month.
Unless you get lazy and keep saying next weekend.

Only thing that should slow you down is weather and that's it!! Loved ones passing, car accidents, excuses o plenty, well none of those stop bills from coming in so it shouldn't stop product from going out either, if it did, more business's would fail in a year than they already do.



I'm waiting on two things from makers, but I only gave them a materials deposit, they won't see the full payment until I see a photo of it ready to ship.

THATS WHAT I SUGGEST IN ALL DEALS! AND IS ACCEPTABLE IN BUSINESS!

10% down to get materials, 10% when production begins and 80% upon shipping.

Hell even 20/20/60% would be perfectly acceptable in my book.

but soon as there is less to earn than you were already paid the motivation to come thru falls faster than science can measure

taking steps like that stops half the scammers and cuts half of the delay out of things because people will want to work to get the other bulk of the money. yes your forcing someone tyo conduct proper business efforts, which is a pain, but unless you want to loose the money and what you bought, you need to do it!


In the case of the foam clooney's.... I offered to Jeff twice to go to LA and see the guy that's supposed to make the foam pieces and if need be, run the foam myself or have him bring the molds over to a friends shop where they could be run.

He ignored both times, which makes me suspicious. He'll tell you to talk to X directly when he subbed that out but he won't let me talk to this guy.

Since you, guido and neil are all my friends and you've all asked me to build these up for you once you get them ( jeff asked me to build his two too) its in everyone's best interest to put me in touch with the guy here to see if I can't help make this come to an end

thats all I can offer you guys

I asked jeff months and months ago to at least make you guys emblems and clips so you had something sitting there, something to keep your hopes up, to keep you from watching the clock, hell I even offered to make the molds for them myself if it would help but all he did was make excuses, !@#$ about the hobby and tell me a long winded story about the guy making them having all kinds of family and health issues, but yet that guy and his studio were still working on films so that just goes to prove my point.



so much time has passed that you can easily get a judgment in court and because jeffs in canada and he sold to germany, south africa and the us it become an international fraud court issue which is much much more serious. but your going to spend a bit to prosecute and to collect, but that route is always an option, and unless jeff has the best lawyer every he's going to loose regardless of any reasons he can come up with and short of bankruptcy he'll have to pay you back

and paying you back should have been on his forefront long long long ago because he never should have paid the guy here in full because even an industry pro will fall victim to the same exact failure that a hobbyist will.

its very very much a missnomer that there's a living in props, even when your someone like stan winston studios (legacy fx now) or ADI or a few others I can name that I'm friends with and know how much they make on projects. but since work is never constant, shows are usually years out when you agree to make things for them, and you struggle to get the job doing it usually for the lowest dollar...

so if your really lucky and the best in the business you'll do ok, but you'll never be a millionaire having an fx studio. The real money is in prop master and or production, so that when films do well you get apiece of it on top of the prop work you made.





so all that said, your best bet is to stay on the people who owe you until they are sick to death of you and the only way to make you go away is to get you what you paid them for, and second when deals go wrong, at the first hint of them going wrong bring it out into the light, that sometimes helps motivate people

hell once upon mearly saying X or his real name of Jeffrey Michael Dullam was enough to get a fire under his butt... not sure if that still works now when so many know what a liar he is





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Don't accept anything longer than 45 days. Period,
I had one trade that I took way way way longer on it than I should have but I relyed on someone else and when they fell through I figured out a way to get the project done no matter what.
Maybe I have stronger morals. I would leave this hobby completely and would still make sure every single last person got what they ordered.
Ed, Kevin and Shawn are the exact same way. Germanbat also. There are good guys out there. Unfortunately there are some bad ones who kinda ruin it for other people.
I try and set realistic time frames. When I say two weeks I personally am shooting for one week. I have a cape on eBay right now that has a 3 week turnaround because I have a seamstress making them and she says a week or two so I bump up time to three. No one is gonna complain when they get what they wanted early but they really will if it is late.
It is standard customer service. Communication and not leaving anyone in a lurch. And always have an ability to give the person their trade back if you fall short.
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