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JV's (early production) 89 Gloves and Fred B's 89 gloves - large pics


As promised, here are pics I took of my both my 89 gloves.
Note that Fred's gloves are slightly shorter in general. Both are medium size. I painted the studs on my JV gloves and modified the fin vents on my FredB's gloves so my rd fins fit all the way through. Prior to this, the RD fins did not fit in them and his vents stuck out. Hope this helps.

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Perhaps this would be a good place for everyone to add their opinions of how to distill details between both to make any revised design as accurate as possible, aside from the gauntlet pads and fins. Then I can see how many are in, pay for a new prototype with the changes and do a run in all sizes.
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I'm in.
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i'd be interested as well. i'd like them shorter in length as well.

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I am definately in for a pair Jerry.....

The UD gloves are #*#*....

Nar i spaek for everyone here when I say....

Love your work brother
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It's very difficult to line up all gloves from different pictures however I did the best I could so everyone could compare and contrast.

These are my most current replica with suede forefinger and patch between the thumb and forefinger.

Also you're never going to get perfect leather grain match because the tanning of hides always varies.

I don't think you can do "caliper" precision with leather goods or any garment with the way they crease, drape, and stretch which explains the variation in comparing even the Elstree Fieldsheer with the Real Deal Pic I put in the middle as the best image I've always used to check detail on the top of the glove.

I think Fred B's finger and knuckle ribs are too thin and the metal studs are too big.

I still can't determine if there is elastic there on the picture below of the Real Deals compared against my original run on top.

I can shorten my length by an inch, remove the top stud on the palmpad, adjust the panel on the top of the hand more triangular and adjust the vents for real deal fins but I'm still not certain if the screen gloves had the elastic band in the wrist (I used the Billikin model kit to examine details at the time I did first runs to see how the model sculptors chose to go since it seemed they had access to closely examine the costume for their work).

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Okay just found these very clear pictures of the front and back at the Batman Unmasked site I've never seen before. They clearly show the best images of the stitching details along with the elastic wrist detail. (Fred's scrunches up too much).

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This picture shows the studs are silver and top out at 2. And they feature the simple fin vent design I've always used.

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I could use these for my glove-maker to adjust my patterns for a new prototype if there's interest with these pictures being the targeted goal.

If you'd all like to see how I matched the Alicia Silverstone gloves from just photo reference, see the pics below. I think with the above '89 pics I could have my glovemaker revise the design without needing an actual physical pair.

JV


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When I was at Elstree I took Jerry's first run gloves along to compare.

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I have seen all of the gloves mentioned and owned most of them at some point.

Hands down the best were David's first run. He only really needed to slant the ribbing on the back of the hand a bit more, possibly the fingers too.

Next are Fred's he's been the only person so far to get the slant of the ribbing right, but the build quality and the dodgy stitched pattern on the gauntlet section aren't as good as David or Jerry's.

Finally Jerry's, who's quality of leather and build were top notch. Not as accurate simply because of the lack of reference material and too big for me unfortunately. FYI Jerry, Keaton's screen gloves fit my hand perfectly, so definitely on the small size.

Here's the Returns gloves. I can't make out if the ribbing is as slanted as the 89, but the palm detail is very similar to the Panther's.

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Perhaps Thuth would be kind enough to share pics of his Returns gloves.

Kevin are the above gloves part of your collection, I noticed you posted the original pics?


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I don't know how else to parse it so I'll be frank.

This is the first time I've seen pics comparing mine right next to the originals that had to have been taken years ago since I'm assuming that's when they were then taken to David along with the Elstree glove to do the super accurate run. Or was this after David did his limited run?

Just imagine the revisions I could have made long ago making mine to everyone's satisfaction not just a select few instead of hearing people unhappy with the lack of accuracy mine had if I had seen these pictures.

Well now that everyone's unhappy with the new motorcycle glove run from UD I guess better late than never right?

Funny how things come full circle, guess I finally have permission to run with it so I will.

JV



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It's all right Jerry. The whole point here is to study these gloves and hash out as many details as possible to further enhance the accuracy in general of any future production. Yes, better late than never.
Since there is more than one source creating 89 gloves, I'm sure you understand that competition is inevitable as well as making comparisons which I understand may come off as unfair or unreasonable to some extent. But it is what it is for those who seek utmost accuracy today. The fact that you are willing to push it further (as long as you get the required interest) is great news. I'm in for a pair. Your gloves as it is, are of very fine quality and I don't think anyone is actually "unhappy" with them. I'm very much happy with mine, but I am certainly not opposed to furthering detail accuracies and the fit.
Let's try and make it happen.



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