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silicone or urethane...?


Is silicone better than urethane...?

Never heard of silicone being used for suits and cowls so is it coz no one has done it [sign in to see URL] is there a reason why...?

What is better to use for look,movement,colour and life expectinsy...?


Please help


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Re: silicone or urethane...?


Its only really used in movies for when heat or water is involved in a scene.

Yeah it has good movement and will last longer than you will but it weighs a !@#$ ton.

Also, no one makes stuff from silicone, you need a urethane or fiberglass mold to do it easily. Most peoples molds are silicone for casting urethane, doubt theyd risk casting silicone in them for one person.

Urethane is the way to go unless you're swimming in it or running through fire. Or if Jeff makes it, it'd probably be foam backed urethane that has nicer movement than just urethane.

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Re: silicone or urethane...?


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Also, no one makes stuff from silicone



That is not true as it would be a person who would have the full 89 armor available in about some time. And when I say complete I mean complete with foreram and calf armor and all that would be needed to built up an absolutly accurate 89 suit.

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GermanBat wrote:

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Also, no one makes stuff from silicone



That is not true as it would be a person who would have the full 89 armor available in about some time. And when I say complete I mean complete with foreram and calf armor and all that would be needed to built up an absolutly accurate 89 suit.

Greetings Guido :bat01



Yes by he hasn't made it yet has he? So for now, no one makes 89 suits from silicone. If we're taking about the same person, last he told me about it, he was still deciding which process to use.

Wog, it's up to you at the end of the day. If you really want an 89 suit in silicone, wait for it. Techniques get better everyday and with silicone foam out there, the suits made will get lighter.

Good luck.

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As for my last informations which I got last week from the person himself he told me that he is always done with all molds and he would start to produce the suits in a very short time.

For me presonaly I realy would not know if silicone would be the better way to go or not but devenetly urethane is better than normal latex that´s for sure. And for movement the best would be foam latex but as I said before that also would be the highprice section for sure.

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Re: silicone or urethane...?


not sure you guys are talking about

but life expectancy is why you don't want a bat suit in silicone, or at least not in a wearable application because silicone does not have a great fatigue ratio for most of the silicones that guys are going to want to make suit pieces out of

to get a suit grade silicone they need at minimum to use something along the lines of v-1068 or one of the high tear sils from mouldlife

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and I remind anyone reading that cares as this is the number one reason

WEIGHT!

Silicone needs to be rather thick to have any kind of tear strength for wearable armor, so your talking a minimum of 3/16 but unless someone is a master of the material and there is a core involved with the mandatory foam backing... which is standard in the industry

silicone will always be third on the list for wearable/displayable armor

My vote is cast for urethane castings because you don't need to worry so much when they are displayed and when they are worn, they don't have the flex rang of foam, but they will outlast foam latex and silicone by at least 2:1 and they can take a beating when worn, the others can take some abuse but never a beating

so I would seriously question whom ever it is that your referring to about an 89 or any other armor suit...

unless your going to be set on fire or swim thru a heavily chlorinated puddle of water.....

well hell, nothing is going to hold up that well to any of those so you better make sure to have a couple spares handy regardless of the material of choice

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Re: silicone or urethane...?


The person they are referring to is me.

I've been working for the past year or so perfecting this, so I'm very confident in the suits.

Firstly my reasoning for using silicone above all. I'm not a huge fan of latex and urethane has it's limitations. Silicone is UV stable and for display purposes alone will outlast urethane and latex. It has the advantage of being far easier to repair and paint.

The disadvantages are as you rightly state mainly the weight, but having handled the 89 suit, I can tell you that that foam was nearly as dense as silicone, but yes still an issue.

That's why for the areas of greater mass I'm using silicone foam. I'm also mixing two different types of silicone and these pieces are all produced using cored fibreglass moulds and of course are powernetted for increased strength.

I didn't take this descision lightly and put a hell of a lot of time and R&D into it. Silicone has come a long way in the past few years, particularly the Mouldlife Silicones (not a fan of smooth-on). The first of these suits are due to go out very soon, once that has happened, I'll be showing them off here as well as the moulds.

The chest armour is a four piece fibreglass mould, the legs three piece and the rest, two piece.

Hope this clears things up.

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Re: silicone or urethane...?


I mounted a silicon begins suit for a brother earlier last year.


the static and the weight were huge turnoffs. The weight of the sil alone was enough to cause it to sag under its own weight.

Movement was quite good- if you could lift it.

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Re: silicone or urethane...?


I have a silicone cowl and torso that i bought from a costume maker in Canada.

It is extremely heavy and is not practical for costuming at all. Also, to glue it onto any kind of body suit, you need a silicone adhesive and use burlap to outline the armor then glue those areas to the body suit. Its a joke.

I can't seem to give it away.



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@BatmanAll,

did you realy exactly read what pjwares wrote???

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That's why for the areas of greater mass I'm using silicone foam. I'm also mixing two different types of silicone and these pieces are all produced using cored fibreglass moulds and of course are powernetted for increased strength.



So you don´t know his pieces and dierctly say "It´s a joke"???

If I were you I would wait till the items from pj would be ready and than you could say if you would like them or not.

Greetings Guido :bat01

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